Good job Hyuse, finally someone is talking facts about Chika's nerf...

Hyuse with the tough love

There is a reason why everyone love Hyuse

So true, I love that Hyuse do whatever needs to do.

[reffering to tsundere] And it is surprisingly not the one where you beat your friend half to death and then expect them to be loving you afterwards.

Yea the world is full of lies and we all need that one person to tell us we are wrong and then self reflect and grow up. This happened for Chika and its a great lesson for the world.

Only problem could be that she could get even more restrictive towards herself since she knows if she doesnt do a gd shot they could die and once they are on the away mission their lives are in more danger then during the invasion so sometimes u need to give ppl time to figure out their bs xD

She shoots well. Reiji is her instructor, of course he's gonna have her ready for battle. Touma even said she has the battlefield mentality. Just that, she was enabled by Osamu. Look even Yuma believes she can shoot people with accuracy (ie when using lead bullets) now.

Well, nice character building and prompting by the author.

Finally someone actually helping Chika and not sweeting things up only beacause they see her as a little fragile thing:
she needed to overcome his fears and grow not to hide in a corner like she always did

From timid Chika: "Aiming to Win their Hearts and Minds"🥺

To Brave Chika: "Aiming to Shoot their Hearts and Minds"🧐

Amen, I hate chikas dumb reasoning

You mean the "I dont want others to blame me, so I drag them down?" - reasoning? They filled a plot hole with another plot hole, but at least they got rid of it...

I feel like it got worse though, her old logic was Im too scared to shoot people since I don't want to hurt them-now its I don't want to hurt people because they will be scared of me or not like me which is so much dumber....

There's a reason these are called mental complexes, they're things that manifest from a single point but can branch off to the point that they become contradictory and can no longer be viewed at from a single angle. If her self assessment is accurate then being too scared to shoot people because she didn't want to hurt them wasn't her actual complex, it was just something she convinced herself was her complex to avoid the trauma induced guilt she would feel facing her actual complex.

And I'm not sure what you mean by it's dumber, complexes are, in there essence, not entirely sensible and most people that have them would rather not have them because of how restraining they can be. So it's not something that you can just write off as dumb or nonsensical.

Nah I'll write it off as a poor backstory and a retarded nerf just for plot

Well, that's pretty unfortunate for you.

It is, it really is-it has impacted my enjoyment of the series by at least a lil bit

I think the reasoning is a bit different, although it was not explained well.
She is so scared to miss a shot in a critical moment, that she "made up" this whole story of not being able to shoot people in order to never have to take responsibilty.
It's like saying "sorry I just suck at this" in order to never be counted on, and always have some minor role in the strategies.
Like when in real life instead of being in a leading position, people prefer to be stay at their place and be ordered around to not have the stress of making mistakes and being judged for them.

The reasoning was flawed from the point she shot the lead bullets, which is no difference than shooting with trion. As Hyuse stated. However, I think they made a flaw in her character design and wanted to correct it. Often such characters are made before a show has success. Later on you want them to fit a different role, but you flawed the background. Then you think about a solution and sometimes you create a plot hole to correcct your lore. This is what most likely happened here. Created a plot hole to correct her characters. Especially as her "development" was stupidly rapid in the episode. Her almosth heart attack, crying for a second, going down and then everything is fine and ready to go... heh? Stupid. But they made it to correct her character. So I kinda accept this, even though it done in a pretty bad way.

This "almost heart attack" happened to me personally once, for the most dumb reason. I don't think there's a plot hole, it's just psychology

our issues are a pain I swear. the grief we cause ourselves with our mental gymnastics is a serious one. I totally understand Chika's pain even if I don't necessarily understand the particular dilemma. I personally find this angle interesting and it's not frustrating as others find it because the anime is actively showing us they are addressing the issue. I swear season 2 and 3 are so much better paced so the complaints are annoying me a bit. like they expect a character to just magically get better? what a boring show. they are showing us improvements. season 1 was terrible and I get the complaints but christ not here. very obvious they got used to other rushed animes and expect it to work here. it gives me similar vibes of people complaining about log horizon having too much politics and talking when that was it's points.

Okay I understand, and that does sound much better- I just hope she can grow and actually be more useful to the team cuz watching the two neighbors pull the team 95% of the time is getting a bit old

Well you should expect also a huge upgrade for Osamu as they introduced a hint for potentiall power up. That "feeling" and his mom.

And I hope so. Watching avarage Joe being carried was boring from day 1.

I read the manga and im caught up, I don't remember the upgrade he got?

I did not read the manga, but I expected some cause it did not fit the plot yet what was shown and thus interpreted it as foreshadowing.

He may have gotten something I think he just got slightly better at using his gear tho, I don't remember too well since this was a while ago

a week late its hound tracking bullits

sheesh this guy loves wasting his barely passing lvls of Trion huh

i disagree remember that karasuma trained him if i remember corectly someone told him to learn the basics like the twins of azuma squad you can always just turn off the the honing effect same as hyuse with viper

simplified, she's afraid of standing out. She wants people to think of her in ways she can control because shes afraid of people possibly hating her for her actions. No expectations, no pressure. The alternatives is people ostracizing her because she's different. Horrible way of communicating it though.

You know, most children will make up absurd lies to not be blamed.

IRL, kids her age will tell you "my dog ate my homework".

I have never seen a kid telling such a stupid lie. It's a common saying but just because it's stupid. Sure do they lie. But that's not the point. The thing is, that the her reasoning WHY she does not want to be blamed is stupid to begin with. It does not really make sense, cause you are doing something worse than that. There could have been a lot better reasonings.

The problem is, making her shooting lead bullets totally destroyed every reasoning for "she cant shoot people", cause she does. Cause if you do not want to harm trion bodies, also do not want others to harm them. And if you cannot point a weapon on someone, you also cannot shoot lead bullets. So basically there is no option left to correct this.

The only reasoning I can think of, she witnessed an accident where someone got hit in his trion body, but the trion body exhausted and actually the person died, cause the bailout system was in development and failed. However, how they could make her a witness etc... difficult but at least it kindof explain why she cant shoot with trion. So that she does not want to give that last hit. So that in the end, they could tell her, that the old system had a problem due to something else and the new system never failed to begin with. That there is a fallback thing, that everyone got forced bailout if there is an issue with the system. Or so. Some kind of reasoning here which make it good.

But maybe that's too much of a story to cover a plot hole that has been created from the very beginning. And later on did not fit the character in which she should develop.

Like it's said. It's not that she can't shoot. She doesn't. She doesn't want to be hated for having an unfair advantage, or bear the responsibility if she fails to shoot at a crucial moment. She would rather be a pawn than a cog in the mechanism. And Hyuse already pointed out your argument, no need to reiterate

You reiterate what is told as reason but what I though way before it was revealed does not count. Doesnt make much sense. :D

Still, its stupid cause everyone would blame you for not trying instead of failing. Who does not try is a bigger failure than the one who did not succeed.

Fair enough. though some people are aware of that reason but failed to comprehend it :D

It's not logical, it's emotional. A lot of people are cowards and fail to act in crucial times in fear of being blamed. You can convince some depressed people that they have to try but it might just give more pressure to them and break down. At the very least she tried to find resolve to finally act and not be a pawn

emotions are logical, just reasons are often hidden from the field of view.

Not to sound condescending, but what's the difference between illogical and reasons being hidden? Both don't see the logic basically.

That and there's a reason why psychology is a thing, since people can be very irrational. If they were really logical then everyone would understand everyone

nope, logic is a subjective thing to begin with. And emotions are not the opposite of logics. Otherwise it would be impossible to understand emotions if they are chaotic and without reason.

I think that emotions are a result of logic, but are not logical themselves

That does not make sense.

Like you said, emotions have reason. But it doesn't mean they strictly bounded by the laws of logic. After all, emotions are just emotions - like happiness, fear, anger etc. Emotion =/= clear idea.

Everything is bound to reason. And reason is logic, logic is the connection between reasons. Just because you cannot grasp it does not mean it has no reason. Illogical only means, that one person can not understand it, not that it is ultimately unlogical. Most people do not learn that logic is subjective.

logic has always been objective wym. Dictionary definition states objective means to lack any form of personal feelings, tastes and opinions. Emotions are the former.

Emotions are not the opposite true, but they hold some form of irrationality. Ever tried asking a girl out? That is one good example for many.

If emotions are conveniently logical, we won't be seeing people with phobias, manias, traumas and whatnot.

thats plain wrong. Its pretty easy to prove. Given two people use a different order operations in Maths. Both solve the same equation but can have different results. Both logics are flawless. But the point of view (= subjective) is different. And yes this is a real world issue that even exist nowadays as there are different systems.

Emotions are not irrational they just can feel like that. They are just too complex to be seen through with ease. Some people understand, some people not.

Phobias etc. have reason, otherwise you could not work on them. You just fail to include your subconsciousness into your reasoning. Thats all.

And being objective by its common meaning is something impossible for a lifeform. But most people are unable to understand this simple truth. You can argue with me ok that, but will make you fall with ease. :)

Random case on point that popped off my head btw. Ever heard of the heroics of Corporal Desmond Doss? He refuses to shoot people because it goes against his Christian beliefs, which led to the ire of his allies and superiors. Even without bringing a gun however, he managed to save nearly a hundred lives because of his field medic work and relentless rescue missions in no mans land.

So here we find an irrational soldier who has beliefs that actively go against what war is all about, and yet he managed to be awarded a medal of honor with his attempts. It goes beyond common sense to go to a battlefield and not bring a gun because you do not wish to kill, and yet he assists in the killing indirectly. Chika would be in a not-so-far off situation, although hers is compelled by fear and not belief.

Where be common logic?

No I would disagree that you need to wield a gun to go a battlefield. And also you do not need to "wish" to kill, basically it's more about proactive self defense.
And you cannot compare something real with something surreal, as the ranked wars are nothing but a simulation for them. It's like you would kill people if you shoot someone in an ego shooter. Big difference, don't you think?
Chika is a very different spot where the difference is minimal and is not explained properly.

It's not wielding the gun that's the problem, it's the irrationality of going into the battlefield without one, when you're in no man's land or the front lines, since you're arguing that human's thoughts have definite logic. I doubt you'd ever try going into war without holding anything for self defense at all.

Also surreal? Pretty sure the anime is on a similar note of being in war, the only difference is their tech system and biology. The rank wars are essentially training for them during outside missions, like how Azuma and Tamakoma 1 trains other operators during matches. Even more so for their squad since they went in with the sole objective of going on the away mission, and that's no safe haven like an ego shooter.

Chika's got her own thing to deal with, which she tries to get over during the final fight. True they're different in terms of scenarios with Doss, but they're no different in terms of having an unexpected thought process in the middle of a war

You are either saying different things or did not make your arguments clear. However, being unprotected in war is not something that you actually have to fear, cause the chance that you are shot is far lower if you are not armed. Especially if you are a doctor or so. And I doubt a doctor has more fear to be killed by an enemy than a normal soldier... especially as there are ethical rules in wars, even though they are not always treated properly.
It is not possible so simulate such a thing. As long as the actors know it is not real it causes a different behaviour. It's not possible to simulate really stressful situations if you do not trick them. However constantly tricking them has huge downsides as you will get lazy, so it only works a few times without side effects.

I just went back to your former premise since you seemed to have abandoned it since last two weeks ago. I didn't say different things, you forgot what you were talking about.
Also that's wrong, even moreso during ww2 against the Japanese. Medics during that time were advised to take off their markers because Japs specifically target medics, war ethics be damned. To be in the frontline with no weapon and only medkits is nothing short of suicide, but it didn't stop Doss. It's easy to make logical assumptions when you haven't tried being in the middle of gunfire and artillery bombing.

You forget the entire point of training simulations my dude. That's literally the purpose of their existence. They're as close to the real thing as you can get, unless you wanna send recruits and trainees on an actual field because you want "genuine training"

And I said lower, not safe. And the risk is lower. The more dangerous you are, the more likely you are shot. That's a plain fact. I have never heared of any study saying a different thing, just exactly that. That's why death by guns is so high in the US, because you can casually get guns. It's pretty stupid to begin with, but well.
Well if I take into consideration what the US did at that time... I guess war ethics are not on their side.
But well, I am wrong, forget some, abandon stuff... it does not look like a conversation makes much sense on that terms. You don't get my point and say I am wrong. But that's how a simple world works. :) Have fun.